How, by the following definition, is North Korea socialist/communist [Link to earlier question]?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AhlU9jY_AZ2SAQgC830Pz1Lsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20100804103921AANe0uD If you aren't going to bother reading the definition, and answering according to this definition, don't even bother answering in the first place. And by extension, everything else people seem to recognise as socialist/communist? In this thread please use the definition below, for the sake of figuring if north korea is socialist/communist. If you are not going to do that, don't bother answering. This isn't a thread saying socialism will work, it's a thread challenging the commonly held views about what socialism is. First off, my views as a socialist do not mesh with the ideas of many who call themselves socialists; I have heavy disagreements with social democrats, democratic socialists, trotskyites, leninists, deleonists, maoists, and stalinists. Therefore the definition I give will not match their definition. Second, I would like to make clear that when I say socialism or communism, I use these two words to refer to the exact same thing, not as seperate ideologies or one as a transitional phase and the other as some obscure utopia. My definition of socialism/communism is a society in which the people themselves share ownership and control the land and the means of production, through direct democracy. Essentially it's the extension of democracy to every quarter of society, the home, the workplace, and the community at large. A socialist society can only exist when the vast majority of the world population wants it to; there is no buying a plot of land and forming your own commune, as socialism can't exist while capitalism does. The people themselves then establish the socialist society democratically, through a revolution. In a socialist society, the following should apply: The socialist society has no monetary or barter system, there is no money and no trade, a socialist society has a gift economy. The socialist society is leaderless, since leaders are inherently undemocratic. The people themselves are in charge, administrating through a global direct democracy. The socialist society is stateless. Essentially, state is the power to use force legally against people. Socialism can't work in a coercive system. As well the existence of a state would undermine a classless society. The socialist society is borderless and global. Socialism can't exist in one country, nor can it exist while capitalism exists. The socialist society is classless. There are no upper and lower classes, no elites and no poor, and there is no state. So your turn. Does north korea fit the definition above? Did the soviet union? Does china? How bout cuba, vietnam, or cambodia? Do France, Norway, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, or any of those european countries fit the definition? Does obama fit the above definition of socialism?
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north Korea is a dictatorship there is no Kim Jung IL in a socialist model
