How, by the following definition, is North Korea socialist/communist [Link to earlier question]?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;… If you aren't going to bother reading the definition, and answering according to this definition, don't even bother answering in the first place. And by extension, everything else people seem to recognise as socialist/communist? In this thread please use the definition below, for the sake of figuring if north korea is socialist/communist. If you are not going to do that, don't bother answering. This isn't a thread saying socialism will work, it's a thread challenging the commonly held views about what socialism is. First off, my views as a socialist do not mesh with the ideas of many who call themselves socialists; I have heavy disagreements with social democrats, democratic socialists, trotskyites, leninists, deleonists, maoists, and stalinists. Therefore the definition I give will not match their definition. Second, I would like to make clear that when I say socialism or communism, I use these two words to refer to the exact same thing, not as seperate ideologies or one as a transitional phase and the other as some obscure utopia. My definition of socialism/communism is a society in which the people themselves share ownership and control the land and the means of production, through direct democracy. Essentially it's the extension of democracy to every quarter of society, the home, the workplace, and the community at large. A socialist society can only exist when the vast majority of the world population wants it to; there is no buying a plot of land and forming your own commune, as socialism can't exist while capitalism does. The people themselves then establish the socialist society democratically, through a revolution. In a socialist society, the following should apply: The socialist society has no monetary or barter system, there is no money and no trade, a socialist society has a gift economy. The socialist society is leaderless, since leaders are inherently undemocratic. The people themselves are in charge, administrating through a global direct democracy. The socialist society is stateless. Essentially, state is the power to use force legally against people. Socialism can't work in a coercive system. As well the existence of a state would undermine a classless society. The socialist society is borderless and global. Socialism can't exist in one country, nor can it exist while capitalism exists. The socialist society is classless. There are no upper and lower classes, no elites and no poor, and there is no state. So your turn. Does north korea fit the definition above? Did the soviet union? Does china? How bout cuba, vietnam, or cambodia? Do France, Norway, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, or any of those european countries fit the definition? Does obama fit the above definition of socialism? This is the definition that the World Socialist Movement adheres to at it's core. Members of the movement tend to agree with this basic definition of socialism.
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"my views as a socialist do not mesh with the ideas of many who call themselves socialists; " LOL! So if you commies can't even agree with each other what socialism is, why do you keep taunting the rest of us about it? Why should anybody take you seriously when you can't even agree with each other what you stand for?
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Your definitions are odd to say the least, but none of the entities on your list meets those requirements. Nor to they meet my definitions of those terms. Unfortunately, most people use the terms with little or no idea of what they might actually mean.
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Democrats loooooove North Korea. It is a Democrat Utopia. It may be because Democrat Men consider Kim Jong as "Cute."
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You stupid college commies crack me up...Be sure and thank your bourgeoisie Daddy for your useless education. EDIT: You have almost perfectly described Marxism as defined by Karl Marx.
